Curse

HEXED · Feb 28, 2009, 02:37 PM // 14:37

hello every1. for first i wanna say that, my english is not good, so please not laugh from it

Ok so, i playing warrior almost 11 months. (we talk about PvE). From 3 months i search for some good hero builds for it. I mean about General PvE + vanquishing.

I was using 2 monks + MM.
1 monk + MM + rt
1 monk + mm + necro curses

and alot of more

Atm i use

Triple necro Discord : here link : http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Discord_Spam

and im not happy of this. They die so fast at HM,ofc i lure mobs.

Some1 can help me, or give me some idea, for hero builds ?

thx for help.

stone kain · Feb 28, 2009, 03:10 PM // 15:10

Manage mobs better (one at a time if your still novice to hm)

Try flagging heros alittle back and lureing with a bow (to isolate mobs)

Search this forum for a warrior build that complements discord necro team (being able to hold aggro for a few seconds is enough for discord bomb to activate)

As for hero builds discord is a fine hm choice sabway is also good had less experience with the 3 monk ROJ but fine so far.

Hope i could help

fatelord · Feb 28, 2009, 03:36 PM // 15:36

Discordway requires macroing or it will be useless ....if u can't run that efficiently then go sabway ..

HEXED · Feb 28, 2009, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by fatelord

Discordway requires macroing or it will be useless ....if u can't run that efficiently then go sabway ..

i found it : http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team...Necro_Vanquish

Its good to do mission/vanq/HM etc ?

Nightow · Feb 28, 2009, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by fatelord

Discordway requires macroing or it will be useless ....if u can't run that efficiently then go sabway ..

Not really, just picked up Leg. Vanquisher using Discordway and all I really had to do was call my hexes. Most of the time, it was like the three were synchronized in casting [discord].

Alas, Discord is better left to people who's mains are casters. For Warrior mains, look up sabway.

Lusciious · Feb 28, 2009, 03:55 PM // 15:55

yes, its the best hero build you can get

riceangel · Feb 28, 2009, 04:07 PM // 16:07

My war is my main and i use discordway because of its fast killing power

Despite my dislike in tanking builds,i use defy pain in 8 player areas and bring a mesmer henchmen and no hex on my bar,only supply conditions(usually deep wound from dismember). The henchmen i take are: one monk(usually the one with hex removal),an ele henchmen(usually the earth one if applicable),a war,and as i said b4 a mesmer

In anywhere lower party size i take warriors endurance and put asuran hex up on my bar and replace all of my adrenline attacks with energy ones

ac1inferno · Feb 28, 2009, 06:44 PM // 18:44

For a Warrior, I would definitely recommend Sabway over Discordway because it seems to me that Discordway is more caster oriented while Sabway synergies with physicals better (I would think this is obvious, but I have people disagreeing with me). Also, I think Wiki has a terrible variant of Sabway and would instead use the original.

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Originally Posted by Sab

This is a three-hero team build which I've used to complete much of Hard Mode - namely Guardian, Vanquishing (including 4-man), and dungeons. Small variations are needed for each area, but the three basic templates are resilient and versatile enough to tackle most zones.

As the player, I recommend bringing some sort of damage. If you happen to play a build that overlaps with any of the heroes, then consider switching out that hero for a damage-dealer. I'll leave it to you to make a bar for that.

Hard mode is generally completable with a two-monk backline (the N/Rt Resto counting as a Monk). For unfamiliar or more difficult zones, you can sacrifice an offensive character for a third Monk. Fill up the rest of the henchmen slots with Warriors and Eles.

If you're playing with a friend, I suggest he/she bring some physicals to take advantage of Barbs/Splinter. Paragons are ideal, and a Broad Head Ranger is excellent for caster shutdown. I don't have a 6-hero build planned out, so again I leave it up to you to make those bars.

I'll be maintaining this thread and updating it from time to time. Feel free to ask questions here or PM me ingame (not on Guru because my inbox is full).

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8-man version

N/Rt Curses
[build prof=N/Rt sou=8+1 cur=12+1+1 cha=10 res=2][Spiteful Spirit][Enfeebling Blood][Barbs][Rip Enchantment][Defile Defenses][Splinter Weapon][Signet of Lost Souls][Death Pact Signet][/build]

Insignias: Tormenter's or Survivor's on all.

Equipment: 20/20 Curses wand, 20/20 Curses offhand.

The SS Necro is a toolbox character, with strong physical support, AoE debuffs and a decent hard res.

If you don't mind a bit of micro, consider bringing Rigor Mortis instead of Defile Defenses. It's best to keep Rigor and the enchantment removal disabled so it's available when you need it (otherwise the heroes will use it on random targets). Mark of Pain, Insidious Parasite or Reckless Haste is also a good option for this slot.

Rip is interchangeable with Rend Enchantments.

Barbs enables the melee henchmen and minions to blow up targets. Heroes tend to use Barbs almost on recharge, so ping key targets, especially if you're playing a physical yourself.

Don't forget the bar isn't secondary-specific. For Frostmaw's Burrows, for example, I used N/Me with Inspired/Revealed Hex to deal with Wurm Bile, and slotted Splinter on the Resto healer.

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N/Rt Healer
[build prof=N/Rt sou=12+1+1 res=12][Weapon of Remedy][Weapon of Warding][Mend Body and Soul][Spirit Light][Protective Was Kaolai][Life][Foul Feast][Death Pact Signet][/build]

Insignias: Tormenter's or Survivor's on all.

Equipment: 20/20 Resto wand, 20/20 Resto offhand.

Standard N/Rt Resto Healer, combining powerful bars-go-up with strong party healing, and the option to function as a hybrid heal/support character.

I sometimes replace WoR or Foul Feast with a second copy of Splinter (i.e. one here and one on the SS). On occasions where the hench Monks are adequate and I don't need a third healer, I run a Motigon or a Cruel Spear Paragon in place of this character.

Be sure not to overlap Foul Feast with the MM if you're running the second MM build.

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N/Mo Jagged Bomber, Main Build
[build prof=N/Mo death=12+1+3 sou=9+1 pro=9][Jagged Bones][Animate Shambling Horror][Animate Bone Fiend][Putrid Bile][Death Nova][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]
Variant:
[build prof=N/Mo death=12+1+3 sou=9+1 hea=9][Jagged Bones][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Putrid Bile][Infuse Condition][Foul Feast][Dwayna's Sorrow][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]

Insignias: Bloodstained on hands, Tormentor's, Minion Master's or Survivors on the rest.

Equipment: 40% HCT, 20% longer enchanting Death staff.

The Jagged Bomber turns a constant stream of dying minions into energy for all three Necros.

The minions double as defensive wall, drawing damage away from party members. Shambling + Fiends can tank and do more damage, while Bone Minions are better to bomb with Death Nova. Play with both and decide which summons you prefer.

If you're not running Save Yourselves!, a user-controlled Protective Spirit is the best thing you can bring to Hard Mode as it saves you from big damage. Ideally you want to keep Prot Spirit disabled and micro it only when it's needed, but the hero tends to have enough energy you can let him run wild with it. The hero will not use Prot Spirit on minions unless all party members are at full health.

I typically find hex removal to be useless on heroes for a couple of reasons, the main reason being that hexes in PvE are generally non-threatening. While there are zones with dangerous hexes, heroes cannot prioritize removing those over junk hexes. However, if you do need hex removal, this character is where you'd slot them in.

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For 4-Man areas, ideally you should bring a source of Daze, as this will help take down enemy Monks in a fraction of the time. Knockdowns and hex shutdown can also fill in this role. Else, bring damage, or if you're a healer, replace the N/Rt with damage-dealer of your choice.

4-Man version

[build prof=N/Rt sou=10+1 cur=12+1+1 res=8][Spiteful Spirit][Insidious Parasite][Enfeeble][Barbs][Rip Enchantment][Weapon of Warding][Signet of Lost Souls][Death Pact Signet][/build]
[build prof=N/Rt sou=12+1+1 res=12][Reaper's Mark][Weapon of Warding][Mend Body and Soul][Spirit Light][Blind was Mingson][Life][Signet of Lost Souls][Death Pact Signet][/build]
[build prof=N/Mo death=12+1+3 sou=9+1 hea=9][Jagged Bones][Animate Shambling Horror][Animate Bone Fiend][Death Nova][Patient Spirit][Dwayna's Sorrow][Cure Hex][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]

hunter · Feb 28, 2009, 11:51 PM // 23:51

Don't matter, discord will still kill faster even with a warrior main. Once 1 minion goes down, everyone mob will be poisoned pretty much.

Bring [withering aura] on 1 hero and he will always cast it on you pretty much. Bring something like [cyclone axe] or [whirlwind attack] and you can put weakness on every mob around you. Once conditions are taken care of, you can still call you [asuran scan]. In HM, it usually takes you about 5 sec to kill a mob anyways.

Throw in [parasitic bond] on 1 hero for a spammable hex in case you are worried about hexes too. Congratulations, you just beat PVE

Super Igor · Mar 01, 2009, 10:54 AM // 10:54

how on earth did you make them die alot? I think theres something wrong with your playstyle. o__O

Anwyn · Mar 02, 2009, 06:35 AM // 06:35

II play discord too, but I swap one of them for an Icey Veins Necro so when they die the others blow up too...

zling · Mar 03, 2009, 07:14 PM // 19:14

[discord] > > > [icy veins]
I mean, come on... get real!!!

wilebill · Mar 03, 2009, 07:47 PM // 19:47

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10292641

Hexed, the above is the Sabway thread. I run Sabway with all classes because me I am lazy. I know it works great with warrior.

Longbow, I hope you have one. Any old Longbow will do. Stake party, pull one mob at a time. Pull them to where you will not get aggro.

Sabway has the Lazy Wilebill Seal of Approval. All them other offbrand HM hero builds are too much like work!

Saraneth · Mar 04, 2009, 07:02 AM // 07:02

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Originally Posted by Anwyn

I only run 1 Icey, the others are all discords...

There's no point in taking [[Icy Veins] over an additional [[Discord (PVE)]. IV's cold dmg, meaning less dps since it's not armor ignoring. You'll alrdy have [[Putrid Bile], [[Death Nova], and sometimes [[Putrid Explosion] for aoe dmg anyways.

Anwyn · Mar 04, 2009, 08:08 AM // 08:08

Hmmm Saraneth... I see your point... Never thought of that...

P.S. thanks for being nice about it...

Desmonthenes · Mar 13, 2009, 06:59 AM // 06:59

Discord is for casters, sabway is for... everything else. If you want to stick with discord, would recommend using the dragon slash+ save yourselves build on your war, there is a good one in pvxwiki.com

MagmaRed · Mar 13, 2009, 07:13 AM // 07:13

Necros are a good option, but I'm not sure Discord is the way to go. A varient of Sabway would work well, and consider tossing these skills in if you don't have them there already.

[ancestor's rage][splinter weapon][barbs][mark of pain][weaken armor][dark fury][mark of fury]

Those spells can make a warrior extremely deadly, and heroes do pretty well at using them effectively. Some micro may be needed, but not much.

Alternatively, you could run a varient on the Rayway builds. Toss [strength of honor] on a smiter and force them to place it on you, and let them run all the typical hex/condition smiting as well.

Daesu · Mar 13, 2009, 08:33 AM // 08:33

or just use Rojway.

Super Igor · Mar 15, 2009, 03:17 PM // 15:17

Rojway is bs in most cases tbh Discord is much better.

Daesu · Mar 16, 2009, 01:42 AM // 01:42

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Rojway is bs in most cases tbh Discord is much better.

You said it yourself, discordway doesn't work as well with a warrior. Sabway or Rojway is better.